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Porovnanie 5Ghz anten

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maco
Post subject: Porovnanie 5Ghz anten  PostPosted: 01.06.2005 - 19:29 #20088
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Spravil som maly ulet na strankach
http://www.maco.sk/wireless/csat_vs_pw/csat_vs_pw.html

- porovnanie anten, prosim kritiku (pozitivnu, ci negativnu) piste na mail, tieto fora nenavstevujem pravidelne

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maco
Post subject: Porovnanie 5Ghz anten  PostPosted: 06.06.2005 - 00:17 #20190
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Uz som bl osloveny priamo ludmi z Lancentra - ak dodaju nieco na test tak fajn, ale pre mna je Prievidaz ci kde to sidlia daleko a nechce sa mi cakat niekolko dni ked robim nejaky prepoj - to co ma na sklade wificentrum je pre mna uplne vyhovujuce, ale samozrejme otestujem vsetko a velmi rad Smile
 
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Chalan
Post subject: RE: Porovnanie 5Ghz anten  PostPosted: 06.06.2005 - 08:53 #20193
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pani ma vyznam brat hlinikove sita? aky je tam rozdiel oproti drotenym v kvalite? to ze su anteny lahsie a ze teoreticky vydrzia dlhsie je mi jasne ale inac?
 
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jmi
Post subject: RE: Porovnanie 5Ghz anten  PostPosted: 06.06.2005 - 09:38 #20195
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no ak ma realne o 5dB viac ako ine, tak pre mna to vyznam ma, lebo podla vypoctov mam s 21tkami csatkami signal na hranici citlivosti
 
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Post subject: RE: Porovnanie 5Ghz anten  PostPosted: 06.06.2005 - 10:03 #20196
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chces mi povedat ze hlinikove sito da realne o 5dbi viac ako drotene?
 
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maco
Post subject: Porovnanie 5Ghz anten  PostPosted: 06.06.2005 - 10:44 #20198
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na ake zdialenosti pouzitas tie 5ghz? 20 kilometrov ze potrebujes take sita?
 
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Post subject: RE: Porovnanie 5Ghz anten  PostPosted: 06.06.2005 - 10:51 #20199
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ved preto sa divim...si kazdy zacne zas kupovat co najvacsie kravy aj na 50m ako som videl u jednej sieti na streche hned vedla nas... Sad neuveritelne...
 
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Post subject: Re: Porovnanie 5Ghz anten  PostPosted: 06.06.2005 - 14:31 #20213
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maco wrote: ›na ake zdialenosti pouzitas tie 5ghz? 20 kilometrov ze potrebujes take sita?


Necelych 4 km.. merane GPS
 
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Post subject: RE: Re: Porovnanie 5Ghz anten  PostPosted: 06.06.2005 - 14:45 #20215
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sunnyday: nuz tak neviem v akych podmienkach to mas zapojene, ja co som skusal na 8-9 km dlhom spoji s drotenymi antenami ktore mali mat vraj 22 dBi, tak som signal mal v rozmedzi 72 - 75 dBm a spoj na tom siel cca 15 mbit/s
 
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Post subject: RE: Re: Porovnanie 5Ghz anten  PostPosted: 06.06.2005 - 17:22 #20231
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4km:

0dB compex (viac so SK FW neda)
21dB (sito+pigtail)
-109 utlm vzduchu
21dB (sito+pigtail)
spolu -67 v idelanych podmienkach

podla papierov mam teda 4dB rezervu na 54mbit a to ratame idealny pripad viditelnosti a rusenia. Dalej mam vyziareny vykon 21dBxxxx. Teda o 6 menej ako bude povoleny podla noveho povolenia pre fixed (tam je o 3dB menej, teda len 27dB je maximum).
Realne to da 1150kB/s pri FTP prenose a jedno poobedie to dalo aj 1500kB/s pri FTP prenose (zeby boli lepsie podmienky a lepsie SNR?).
Mozno by taku rychlost nepotrebujete, ale ja ju xcem z X dovodov:
- cim vyssia speed, tym rychlejsie ma kazdy to co potrebuje
- nizsie latencie
- rezerva do buducnosti

Dalsie plusy silnejsej anteny:
silnejsia ~> uzsi lalok => menej rusenia.
 
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Sleyo
Post subject: Porovnanie 5Ghz anten  PostPosted: 09.06.2005 - 10:56 #20395
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A ako je to s plnymi antenami ? teda tie s tanierom ? tie by mali pri zmenseni rozmerov mat stale porovnatelne parametre s velkym sitom.
Testovana CSAT 23= 65cm a 24ka z i4.cz plna ma 35cm ... Co vy na to ? Na tuto je tam aj Radom co moze by zaujimave pre dakoho komu zasnezuje.

moje intuitivne zoradenie podla velkosti je sito,zliatinove (hlinik) a potom plne
 
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Post subject: RE: Porovnanie 5Ghz anten  PostPosted: 09.06.2005 - 11:57 #20398
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na zisk vplyva: 1. typ ozarovaca
2. geometria anteny (tvar, velkost)
3.oznacenie vyrobcom Wink

zisk paraboly si vopocitas: zisk =20*log D + 20*log F +17.8
D- priemer v metroch
F - frekvencia v GHz
zisk je v dBi

takze podla vypoctu mala parabola moze mat pri 5.8GHz 23.9 dBi ale nie viac (v dolnom pasme len 23dBi).

a tu je prvy kamen urazu. fi csat oznacuje zisk v dBd a nie v dBi
dBi=dBd+2.15
 
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Sleyo
Post subject: Porovnanie 5Ghz anten  PostPosted: 09.06.2005 - 12:59 #20399
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ak som to spravne pochopil velkost je podstatna a nie material (paraboly) .

a ozarovace ale nik nepopisuje Sad

a teoreticky pri rovnakom ozarovaci a aj velkosti a tvare paraboly by bola ktora "lepsia" ? plny tanier ci sito ? je to badatelne v praxi ?
 
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Post subject: RE: Porovnanie 5Ghz anten  PostPosted: 09.06.2005 - 14:04 #20403
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material je dolezity na napr. zachovanie tvaru paraboly pri zmene teploty atd.
plna parabola ma trosku lepsie vlastvosti. ale ak je sito spravene spravne t.j. ak ak je velkost siete < ako lambda/2 nemal by si badat rozdiel
ozarovac: vacsinou sa pouziva model "plechovka" alebo dipol
obcas sa stretnes s ozarovacom yagi
 
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Sleyo
Post subject: RE: Porovnanie 5Ghz anten  PostPosted: 09.06.2005 - 14:58 #20411
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vela veci mi bolo objasnenych - dakujem za prispevky
hlavne ta vec oznacovania a jednotiek je chaoticka... ale podla toho vzorca co si dal (dBi) tak secko pasuje ako ma - apson pri tych co som si preratal a nasiel v cennikoch.
Este Vas poprosim na Vase odporucanie na konkretnejsi model na dlhe spoje (8 a viac km). Stacia tam tie 35cm resp 24dbi alebo treba vetsi kaliber ?
 
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