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kvalita signalu z bocnych (zadnych) lalokov

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fleg
Post subject: kvalita signalu z bocnych (zadnych) lalokov  PostPosted: 12.06.2005 - 10:21 #20509
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ma niekto zapojeny dlhodobo takyto spoj? v netstumbleri som dostal 30db signal hoc si od anteny (smerovej) 2km pod 135 stupnovym uhlom. podla merania je signal kvalitny (graf z netstumbleru) ale v reali sa spoj sprava nestabilne. 5% packetloss pri malych a 30-40% pri velkych pingoch.
takze otazka znie da sa vobec zrealizovat stabilny spoj na vacsiu vzdialenost na bocne (zadne) vyzarovacie laloky?
 
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Post subject: RE: kvalita signalu z bocnych (zadnych) lalokov  PostPosted: 12.06.2005 - 10:56 #20513
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aj bocny lalok je lalok Smile zalezi od anteny aky ma zisk v ktorom smere. ja mam na sektorke pripojeneho zakaznika uz asi rok (zadny lalok) ale je to iba na vzdialenost 600m
 
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Post subject: kvalita signalu z bocnych (zadnych) lalokov  PostPosted: 12.06.2005 - 11:10 #20518
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S 0 db antenou chytim 22 APcok, ak sa chem pripojit v tomto ruseni na bocny lalok 0 bodov. Bocne laloky maju tiez urcity tvar a zisk v dB je samozrejme mensi ako hlavny lalok, pokil pouzijes na bozny lalok silnu klientsku antenu mohlo by ti to ist dobre.
 
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fleg
Post subject: RE: kvalita signalu z bocnych (zadnych) lalokov  PostPosted: 12.06.2005 - 11:45 #20519
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praveze slovicko malo nie je to co chcem pocut. potrebujem pocut ze to tak u niekoho naozaj funguje. klienstka antena je csat 22db vzdialenost 2km a ako som povedal 30db signal povazujem za velmi silny preto nechapem celkom tie vypadky (napr kolise ping od 2-15ms co by pri nezatazenej linke nemal).
skusim vymenit kartu rozoberiem kable (mozno voda) a uvidime.
 
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Post subject: RE: kvalita signalu z bocnych (zadnych) lalokov  PostPosted: 12.06.2005 - 11:50 #20520
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ukaz diagram ap anteny a potom ti to mozem zratat Wink
 
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Post subject: RE: kvalita signalu z bocnych (zadnych) lalokov  PostPosted: 12.06.2005 - 11:55 #20521
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co chces ratat ked netstumbler mi ukazal na orinoco aj zcom mi ukazal nepretrzity 30db odstup signalu od sumu? ziadne velke vykyvy. 30db signal mam na 12km kde mam proti sebe de 24hp a nemam ziaden packetloss. dnes skusam laborovat so zmenou kanala mozno je to sposobene rusenim nejakeho blizkeho ap (aj ked je to na dedine neni tam ake).
mozno mi zatieklo pri tychto dazdoch nieco tam
 
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Post subject: Re: RE: kvalita signalu z bocnych (zadnych) lalokov  PostPosted: 12.06.2005 - 12:02 #20523
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fleg wrote: ›ako som povedal 30db signal povazujem za velmi silny


no to ano, to mas pravdu, 30 dBm (ako to teda je v dBm) signal je velmi silny, to je okolo 1 W, nechcem si predstavit ako silno musis grilovat do vzduchu aby si mal o 2 km dalej od vysielaca signal v sile 1 W ? Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
 
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: kvalita signalu z bocnych (zadnych) lalokov  PostPosted: 12.06.2005 - 12:07 #20525
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je to dcom 1590 a 24db antena pacific wirelless. kolko to ziari neviem a v com udava signal netstumbler si teraz presne nespominam;o).
p.s. pri smerovych spojoch sa limit dodrzat neda
 
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: kvalita signalu z bocnych (zadnych) lalokov  PostPosted: 12.06.2005 - 12:09 #20527
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1590ky pokial ich neprekonfigurujes tak su fabricky nastavene tak, aby vysielali so silou signalu na kontetore okolo 13 dBm, zrataj si...
 
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: kvalita signalu z bocnych (zadnych) lalokov  PostPosted: 12.06.2005 - 12:43 #20531
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nezratam;oP. a divim sa ze po limitoch ides zrovna ty co odporuca na smerove spoje znacne predimenzovane anteny;o). kto mi pred par rokmi poradil na 500m uplink 24db andrew anteny? a som rad ze ich tam mam lebo do dnesneho dna nemam s tym uplinkom ziaden problem.
 
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: kvalita signalu z bocnych (zadnych) lalokov  PostPosted: 12.06.2005 - 12:56 #20534
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fleg: ja nejdem neak po limitoch (aj ked postupne planujem upratat si siet tak ze ich budem splnat, riskovat pokutu od TU sa mi nexce), ale to cislo 30 dB(?m) si podla mna prehnal... (alebo ti netstumbler ukazuje pitchoviny); na to aby si vo vzdialenosti 2 km mal na prijmaci signal okolo 1 W, by si musel vysielat na AP radove 100ky wattow EIRP a to uz hadam uznas je troska moc...
[ok, takze po preratani, ak mas vzdialenost 2 km (utlm priestoru 106 dBi), signal na druhej strane 30 dBm, antenu 24 dBi, tak z vysielaca musis vyzarovat 112 dBm, to je okolo 120 MW (M = mega) EIRP Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing ]
 
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: kvalita signalu z bocnych (zadnych) lalokov  PostPosted: 12.06.2005 - 13:00 #20535
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30 je snr+ len tak mimochom (nejako mi to nedalo co to tu stale kecas a az teraz mi doslo ze si ma zle pochopil....resp zle citas lebo som pisal ze ide o rozdiel medzi signalom a sumom).
 
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: kvalita signalu z bocnych (zadnych) lalokov  PostPosted: 12.06.2005 - 13:05 #20536
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fleg: myslel som si, ale ty si povedal _signal_ a nie rozostup signal-sum alebo SNR. Tak sa nauc vyjadrovat presne Very Happy
 
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: kvalita signalu z bocnych (zadnych) lalokov  PostPosted: 12.06.2005 - 13:12 #20537
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skus sa pozriet o par riadkov vyssie kde je napisane aj too...."co chces ratat ked netstumbler mi ukazal na orinoco aj zcom mi ukazal nepretrzity 30db odstup signalu od sumu?".
 
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: kvalita signalu z bocnych (zadnych) lalokov  PostPosted: 12.06.2005 - 13:23 #20538
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fleg: hmm ale 1. to si napisal uz v case ked som mal otvorene okienko a pisal tu moju haluz; 2. to je jedina zmienka o tom ze to je SNR a nie signal !

PS: skus sa pozerat okrem SNR+ aj na tie ostatne hodnoty (a pripadne ich aj uviest), pretoze SNR+ je najlepsia dosiahnuta hodnota, ale ta sa tam mohla vyskytnut omylom raz za par hodin a v skutocnosti tam moze byt ine cislo...
 
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